tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post3310944408484068758..comments2023-09-30T23:22:48.898-07:00Comments on Improper Course: ILCA Defamation of Bruce KirbyDoug / Pamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05161131921177367663noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-67746861691950759712013-05-10T19:46:27.088-07:002013-05-10T19:46:27.088-07:00For now, I think I'll refrain from posting the...For now, I think I'll refrain from posting the email but I did send it to Bruce's attorney. I understand that things might get dicey for Tracy so I don't want to add fuel to the fire just yet. Defamation has a two year statute of limitations but fraudulent misrepresentation has a three year statute. This stuff could get serious real quick. It's just a matter of how far they force Bruce to go./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-62540450914934523252013-05-10T15:44:22.106-07:002013-05-10T15:44:22.106-07:00Pam,
Can you post Tracy Ushers email here, or did...Pam,<br /><br />Can you post Tracy Ushers email here, or did it specifically say it was not for publication?<br /><br />OtterboxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-25008732732637864012013-05-10T10:33:17.114-07:002013-05-10T10:33:17.114-07:00You're right, he spent even more! We look forw...You're right, he spent even more! We look forward to seeing the legal advice the ILCA received that will undoubtedly come out in the current litigation. Either the lawyer committed malpractice or the ILCA "spun the truth" as you say.Doug / Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161131921177367663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-7522273747260845282013-05-06T19:56:07.473-07:002013-05-06T19:56:07.473-07:00I bet the farm that 'ILCA spun the truth and m...I bet the farm that 'ILCA spun the truth and misled the membership" in order to get folks to vote in favor of that rule change.<br /><br />Btw, are you sure it wasn't 60,000 pounds of the members' money Jeff Martin spent on the incompetent lawyer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-45677603113166503432013-05-05T19:58:59.336-07:002013-05-05T19:58:59.336-07:00Incredible! I'd like to see the audit and acc...Incredible! I'd like to see the audit and accounting on that vote. I imagine that will be requested in discovery. It should be revealing./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-84582601813765507062013-05-03T16:56:53.628-07:002013-05-03T16:56:53.628-07:00I don't see how the Fundamental Rule change co...I don't see how the Fundamental Rule change could be legal anyway. To vote you didn't need to own or be a member of any Laser Class association. I know this because I voted and at the time I neither owned a Laser nor was a member of my district association.Bruce Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00183133295468764937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-2507528899502823982013-04-26T05:00:15.067-07:002013-04-26T05:00:15.067-07:00Oh Tillerman, I wish I could. Life would be so mu...Oh Tillerman, I wish I could. Life would be so much easier. But I learned a long time ago that I stand up when others sit down. I just can't help myself. I see Bruce as a father figure who has had his heart broken by all of this and he deserves to be treated better. If he was a ruthless businessman that could hold his own, I'd be more inclined to sit back and watch the show but instead it feels personal and it feels wrong. I don't hold many of the officers responsible but I'm disappointed that they didn't stop is train wreck./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-87587799015632500832013-04-26T04:34:18.979-07:002013-04-26T04:34:18.979-07:00I think it's very simple.
BK says his rights...I think it's very simple. <br /><br />BK says his rights to royalties are based on his contracts with the builders. If he is right then he will win his court case. If he is right and the contracts are valid then I don't see how the Laser class changing its rules will have changed the validity of those contracts. Good luck to him.<br /><br />If he is wrong and the contracts expired or weren't binding in the first place or weren't properly transferred to the current builders or are otherwise ineffective for some other legal technicality, then he's had a good run and has made a nice pile of money from the Laser over the years. All good things come to an end. Good luck to him.<br /><br />I think the class got caught up in the middle of this. They didn't start the war. I tend to assume that our voluntary class leaders, who give up enormous quantities of their own time, are doing it because they love this game even more than I do and that they they are honestly trying to act in the best interests of the sport and the people like me who love to play it. Have they made a few mistakes along the way? Probably. Are they guilty of "callousness" or "defamation"? Surely not. Please give them a break.Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-21609146832264442702013-04-25T21:32:48.799-07:002013-04-25T21:32:48.799-07:00I agree. It may not seem this way but I don't...I agree. It may not seem this way but I don't consider the current class management to be responsible for this mess. I do think their inaction has made bad situation worse and their lack of communication makes me wonder if <br />they all just got caught up in a machine that doesn't give a damn about what they think either. There appears to have been one master plan driving this whole mess and it hasn't diverted course since day one regardless of the new officers, whom I wouldn't have thought capable of such callousness./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-91760170972990832832013-04-25T21:29:11.298-07:002013-04-25T21:29:11.298-07:00Amen. If they agree to redo the vote then they'...Amen. If they agree to redo the vote then they're acting in good faith and in our best interests. If they do not, then they are not neutral as claimed and have their own private agenda.Doug / Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161131921177367663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-10294811040452891402013-04-25T21:22:57.219-07:002013-04-25T21:22:57.219-07:00Found it. Personal email from Tracy to a group of...Found it. Personal email from Tracy to a group of sailors that could be deemed a republication of the proposed rule change and it's inside the 2 year statute of limitations. There is another posting somewhere that I can see in my head and it makes reference to the potential for re-doing the vote because a class representative made statements that might have further misled the voters. / Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-61024310461567812572013-04-25T21:17:01.761-07:002013-04-25T21:17:01.761-07:00A false and misleading statement that caused peopl...A false and misleading statement that caused people to vote to separate a designer from his pride and joy. Even without the financial harm, separating him from his design must feel very much like an assault./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-90793237205106654452013-04-25T17:36:22.040-07:002013-04-25T17:36:22.040-07:00I'll look for it. I seem to think it might ha...I'll look for it. I seem to think it might have been a private communication from Tracy Usher to several people including Bruce with the implication being that the ILCA had discussed the issue. This was back when Tracy was trying to stop the vote from going through. I recall seeing mention of it being set aside and took a deep breath and relaxed thinking Bruce wouldn't get screwed. I'll either post what I saw when I find it or I will send it to Bruce to use./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-70951019454063174382013-04-25T11:32:39.619-07:002013-04-25T11:32:39.619-07:00It would be good to have a petition to ILCA to red...It would be good to have a petition to ILCA to redo the vote with accurate and correct information in light of the current events.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204470575765584100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-83338493360164315412013-04-25T08:33:38.826-07:002013-04-25T08:33:38.826-07:00Who told you that "the vote would be set asid...Who told you that "the vote would be set aside because there was indication that the publication might had misled the members"? <br /><br />I don't recall any announcement from the Laser class to that effect. <br /><br />I thought that the reason why ISAF didn't approve the change was never officially communicated.<br /><br />But maybe I slept through that part of the movie?Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-51600456056925901092013-04-25T07:59:02.572-07:002013-04-25T07:59:02.572-07:00Yes the SOL is 2 years. Is that from date of firs...Yes the SOL is 2 years. Is that from date of first publication, last publication, or re-publication (movement of location on a website) or date of discovery of harm done. To have sued at the outset would have been heavy handed. However, having been misled into believing, like all of us, that the vote would be set aside because there was indication that the publication might had misled the members, it was reasonable to delay taking action. The SOL can be tolled in certain circumstances. Only a court of law can determine if this qualifies but it would certainly be reasonable./ Pamhttp://www.impropercourse.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-24858184918272944842013-04-25T06:59:17.622-07:002013-04-25T06:59:17.622-07:00The mis-statement about patents was published by I...The mis-statement about patents was published by ILCA on March 23 2011.<br />The statute of limitations for filing a lawsuit for defamation in Connecticut is 2 years.<br />Today's date is April 25 2013.<br /><br />The protest time limit has expired.<br />Protest dismissed.Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-59405592149725079612013-04-25T01:55:34.306-07:002013-04-25T01:55:34.306-07:00I suppose it could be encouraging the ILCA/ISAF to...I suppose it could be encouraging the ILCA/ISAF to cut BK out of his contractual rights for royalty payments. If they were spreading untruths (or misleading info) that could encourage LPE et.al to believe they don't need to or would get away with not paying BK what we are told they were owed ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-5087839715124108872013-04-25T00:23:30.471-07:002013-04-25T00:23:30.471-07:00I get that the statement is incorrect, sure, but d...I get that the statement is incorrect, sure, but defamatory? What damage does it do to Kirby? I don't see that it really matters. <br /><br />redstarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-743510240401399331.post-40748018288967900952013-04-25T00:18:10.575-07:002013-04-25T00:18:10.575-07:00I am one of those that regrets voting and approvin...I am one of those that regrets voting and approving the Fundamental Rule Change. The statements made by ILCA were materially incorrect and the case for both sides was never adequately presented. The vote was deeply flawed in content and process. I believe that using that vote as the platform going forward will come back to haunt the class. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11204470575765584100noreply@blogger.com